MK-Ultra survivor and whistleblower Cathy O’Brien returns to discuss the Epstein disclosures, psychological control, and the growing conversations around influence, trust, and public figures (such as Erica Kirk).
This powerful conversation explores trauma, discernment, and how truth and healing restore personal freedom in a world shaped by information control.
Catherine Edwards and Brice Watson speak with Cathy O’Brien — author, survivor, and long-time advocate for healing from trauma and psychological manipulation. As new information connected to Epstein continues to surface, many people are asking deeper questions about power, exploitation, and influence. This discussion explores those questions thoughtfully, including the importance of discernment when looking at public figures, organisations, and narratives — including recent conversations surrounding Erica Kirk and Turning Point USA.
More importantly, this episode focuses on something bigger than fear or exposure: healing, autonomy, and reclaiming inner strength.
In this conversation, Cathy shares:
A brief overview of her story for new listeners, Her perspective on the Epstein disclosures, How trauma and psychological influence affect thinking, Why discernment matters more than personalities, How communities can rebuild trust and safety, The role of personal responsibility in real change, Her books, resources, and upcoming events!

