Weeks after Congress held its first MKUltra hearing in over four decades, I sit down with survivor Cathy O’Brien to ask what no one in that hearing room answered: is it really over? Cathy explains how mind control techniques built in secret Cold War labs, trauma, drugs, sleep deprivation, quietly spread into pharmaceuticals, media messaging, and even the COVID lockdowns that shaped daily life. She argues the real goal was never just creating spies, but perfecting control over an entire population, and that healing starts with reclaiming free thought. This is a conversation about a program the government says ended in 1973, told by someone who says its methods never stopped.
